http://beta.theexpressiveweb.com/#!/css3-gradients

If you scroll down a see “Related Adobe Technologies” guess who is missing.

Years of train myself into As3 to the level of do whatever I have in my mind now worst like a 3 dollars bill, NOTHING! Yeah I’m going to learn HTML5 cause I don’t want to be the last one when the door shuts down, but I really don’t know if I have the time to do it and get any closer results in my daily basis projects. And that about the bright side of your opportunity to lear something new is like to tell a baseball player, yeah man, go ahead and learn soccer, in the end you are an atletle despiting the detail that you are on your fortys.

Why Android is destroying IWhatEver? Because on just one feature, yes flash. You had that on your side (OUR SIDE) and you just flushed it away. Woa. And you spec from me to get another Adobe Program to built my career?. Fool me ones…

I’ve lost 10 year of my life devoting to your technology, Am I going to trust you and spend another 5 or 10 years master another Adobe’s fiasco?. NO sir. life is short, and if you tell me that HTML5 is the way to fallow why am I going to develop a WebSite on HTML5 ,and on Flash, and make an App in Air, not sir, bye bye Adobe as a web solution, call it by its name, is easy.

It tires me just by the thinking of train myself from zero. Thanks, you took the best choice, instead of maintain you HUGE developer base, and telling the whole world FLASH is PART Of THE FUTURE SOMEHOW, and if you want a nowdays real example of your Beautiful Flash Web deploying in a Mobile, go ahead a Buy a Marvelous ANDROID, or if you don’t want to see a ***** go ahead a Buy an IPHONE. But no, you determine your strategy on some issues like performance, when the Mobile market is a toodler but growing exponentially, and by the time when HTML5 would be rock solid, about 8 years from now, could you imagine how savage the mobiles will be?, and can you picture how great it will be the performance of Flash Content? Not, nobody will see it because you shoot flash in the head. And please, don’t come to me with that: this is for this and this is for that (niches) because I’ve lost a 12k project when they ask me for Mobile present and I tell them no, cause they don’t understand why the site that they see in their Desktop has to be double price because I have to buiit it as an App and its HTML5 version.

Congratulations, you just shoot down an AMAZING product (That could it be the Web of the future) and the shotgun blast just scared the whole community away. You can tell me: 1.Animations HTML5, WebApps: Air, and Games: Flash, well I just want to do a WebPage that works in Mobiles, so there is just one way to take. Good Luck, and farewell, Flash was part of the future, but you decided to was too difficult to deal with mobile devises, woa, I just can’t believe this., when Mobiles will be in a matter of 2 years more than accurate to delivery flash content properly as Android prove that Steve Jobs was just after one thing: His money selling apps.

I was in love of being an Adobe person, now I fell like I’m a totally jerk for put my eggs in your basket that you just desided to drop down to the ground shattering my carrer in the way. Now I have to begin once again, but belive me, Im not going to teach my Self Edge just to see that in Cs7 there is no Edge and Now is the New Adobe WhatSoever Solution.

From love to hate there is a simple step. And you will see it in no time when you tried to cash out CS6. Good look with that and with your stocks.

I think the press cost has been really high. A lot of people thinks it’s the end on flash.

Another suggestion, why don’t you rename AIR to use something like Flash Standalone Player, or Flash App Player? That would be help to understand the current tools.

A bit late to reply as I tend to take all this kind of stuff in stride, but thanks for the clear explanation.

I don’t agree with the move, even from adobe’s own self interest, as I believe that the iphone ipad effect is short term and can be made moreso. I feel most badly for entire platforms that were advertising their use of flash in the browser as a competitive advantage and I have to say as an ipad owner that I won’t buy another, and not because I’m a flash developer. It’s because I like art and most art sites on the web use flash at some point.

Anyway that’s under the bridge, but my main pointis that if adobe were to put the flash player source on apache as well, then it would be up to the hardware manufacturors to decide what to do, and based on blackberry’s thinking which I think was both smart and which this announcement screwed over more than any other company, such a move would enable the continuation of android browsers to utilize what is currently a great runtime, compete with the ipad and iphone on that basis and provide a way for web standards to utilize as much as possible with the binary capabilities of flash.

In truth the blackberry thinking is right. If all you need to do is support the air runtime, you have all you need for a good device operating system.

So all Adobe would need to do is donate the source code, licence and controll of the CURRENT version of the flash player to apache as well and it would be a win win for both flash content and html5 content.

Open source developers would come out of the woods to help out and do things like make an html5 canvas tag component for compatability with ie6.

Device manufacturors would colaborate on the shared issues in implementing a 4core flash player and get plenty of free work out of the previous work that’s already been done.

I also think that if adobe were to donate the code of flash media server as a part of the effort and make it a part of the lamp stack, a small fraction of adobe’s income that it gets from FMS could be recouped with a whole new class of apps that rely on flash and flex and which is not currently even speced under html5.

The first move is a no brainer. The second might be a huge benefit for the company long term as well.

Adobe has more invested in this than us. We can learn to use the html5 audio tag in a day. But if you have any pull at all with the bigwigs, see if you can get them to put the player and media server under apache as well and then have adobe just watch and take advantage of the huge explosion of advancement that would occur. Flash will always sell as an animation tool, and nobody can compete with flash builder now for an IDE, so let the explosion happen for free and reap some short term rewards while encouraging love with your users and profitability for ALL.

For 10 years the FMS and flash player capabilities have sat on a shelf, making no money. Unleash them for market dominance! Your ui tools are already in place to monetize!

Thanks for listening.

-Cort

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4085187#4085187

If so that would be a BIG step backwards

Exactly the Catalyst/FlashBuilder workflow was why we have choosen the Flex technologie.

Today there is no useful alternative for visual layout out there :/

I tried AIR, however I wasn’t able to produce a single standalone .exe/.app

My idea would be to have like an .exe with custom icon and all, that when clicked it would just start the application right away. No installation, no dialogs, no additional runtimes to download. The application could also silently “extract” and store the swf/xml/META-INF/etc and all that, in a randomly hashed folder inside the operating system’s TEMP directory.

If the developer wishes to create an installer he could just use a program like NSIS. Also about the certificate notification, let the OS or the target marketplace take care of that. We already have enough notifications from the OS about downloaded & unsigned files.

Now with the speed we have, the applications that we can produce using this platform… I still do not understand why single page by page webs are created. It’s inefficient, cumbersome, non-uniform amongst browsers, and something that I thought would have been changed by now.

This platform of create once, see the same experience on every device is of common sense, and with our technology/speed of today, downloading small packages of a site seems like a no brainer instead of the maze of files produced to display html/javascript/css pages.

I understand dropping the player implimentation for all the mobile browsers, it’s a nightmare. AIR is the biggest thing coming out since the flash player when it started. Adobe needs to get the word out about it. It still feels like it’s stuck in the labs.

1. Adobe keeps continuing strong new ground breaking support in the desktop arena… not just games! RIA’s for the enterprise coming out of Flash/Flex is important.

2. Adobe, good decision to drop the player from mobile browsers! but built better integration for developers to kick out AIR apps for those platforms, get them on their finiky markets, and scripts to allow users to download alternate content when visiting a site using flash.

3. don’t loose the vision that building and publishing once and viewing everywhere is the key. The open screen project for example! commit!

maybe the player needs to be open sourced? browsers may fully commit to integrating it? I feel like they are always playing catch-up… now they have video in html5! cool.

“Yes, we (and the community) are doing a lot of work of Flash to HTML workflows (as well as new creative HTML tools).

Check out this video from John Nack:

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2011/11/check-out-flash-pro-generating-html5.html

That shows some work being done around exporting from Flash Pro to HTML. I believe Grant Skinner is also doing some similar type of work with EaselJS.com.”

Can you please run this test on any Flash mobile capable device:

http://flaemo.com/blog/?page_id=2

And tell us you can also speed up the HTML5 a little bit more? Nope is out of your control, Flash was. And was way faster than the ‘future’ solution you proposing to us.

Did you just fail to make Stage3D working or what went wrong? Clearly the performance wasn’t the reason!

And,

“While it will still be a while before HTML5 / CSS3 features have the same ubiquity as the Flash Player currently has, the trend is very clear. A lot of the things that you have done via Flash in the past, will increasingly be done via HTML5 and CSS3 directly in the browser.”

I disagree 100% on this point. (Begin rant) Just because it HTML/JS/CSS will eventually support a feature I can do now in Flash doesn’t mean I’m going to start using it to create content. I hate developing for HTML suite of technologies. It’s a mess. I have to write 3 to 4 different versions for each browser. Plus I have to use JavaScript scripting language which _no_ application developer would dare use except if they have to. JavaScript is a pile a @%56. You’re taking us to the dark ages and all because you want Apples approval. If you want to get on Apple’s devices that bad then write JS yourself in Dreamweaver. Don’t take resources away from Flash developers. HTML5 is not the solution. There’s no proof that Apple will play ball in that field anyway! They already disabled the browser upload support of HTML5 and they already promoted an HTML5 site that locked out all the other browsers. Their snotty temperamental brats of a company and your basing your company decisions on them??? Scarrry… Your starting to build your company on sand. Android has more market share if that’s what matters (half a million activations a day). You’re company jumps on every new bandwagon and fails in the ones where it’s strictly for money. The creative endeavors are where it wins. Even Apple positions creativity, user experience and quality above money. And that’s their strategy in making money (and it’s worked). Jobs has said the reason they don’t make a cheaper version of an iPhone is that developers would have to scale down their apps to support lesser technology. Jobs has said developers will not do it. And if you have no developers you have nothing. So they absolutely will not do it regardless of pressure from investors. Flash developers do not want to go to HTML5 because they’re losing a ton of advantages and for what, just to get a version on iOS, which is scaled down for at least 5 to 10 years?

I think it’s worth mentioning the clarity people and the media had a year ago as compared today (possibly due to lack of Adobe standing up for Flash),

“Apple is hyping HTML5 again, this time with a new website purporting to show open web development in action. But the company’s standards-following rivals have pointed out the Jobsian site is peddling nonsense.”

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/04/apple_html5_showcase_hype/

The rest of the article is just as accurate. This is no different than the “perceived loss” the car salesmen describes of how horrible it will be if you don’t buy his car. I’ll be ok if my app is not on iOS (and if I do want to I can create an HTML5 version or better yet point them to my app on the app store).

All these Non-coding flash must die morons have no clue what a real fragmented mess HTML5 really is. I have had it.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO POINT THIS OUT on a front page article that identifies the proprietary black hole created by perceptions that do not match reality.