Comments on: Some personal thoughts on Apple and the trend towards closed platforms http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/ code = joy Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:36:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Stephane Beladaci http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-26652 Stephane Beladaci Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:22:15 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-26652 Check the email I sent to Steve Jobs yesterday in response to his "Thoughts on Flash" published on Apple.com last year: Thoughts on Apple  http://applesucks.squarespace.com/blog/thoughts-on-apple-flash-developer-responds-to-steve-jobs-tho.html You can also follow the flight from my Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/flexengineer Check the email I sent to Steve Jobs yesterday in response to his “Thoughts on Flash” published on Apple.com last year:

Thoughts on Apple 
http://applesucks.squarespace.com/blog/thoughts-on-apple-flash-developer-responds-to-steve-jobs-tho.html

You can also follow the flight from my Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/flexengineer

]]> By: Jefftoch Adam http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-23797 Jefftoch Adam Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:46:54 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-23797 Mike, I could agree with you. Nice article thanks ……. I want the new feature in the mac/iPhone/mobile phone. I guess the company time to time will be increase the feature for the user. Mike, I could agree with you. Nice article thanks …….
I want the new feature in the mac/iPhone/mobile phone. I guess the company time to time will be increase the feature for the user.

]]> By: Flash and Standards: The Cold War of the Web : Flashflex.com http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-22869 Flash and Standards: The Cold War of the Web : Flashflex.com Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:03:32 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-22869 [...] vehicle. Mike Chambers, Principal Product Manager for Flash platform developer relations at Adobe, expresses his concerns over closed platforms. Interactive developer Grant Skinner reflects on the advantages of [...] [...] vehicle. Mike Chambers, Principal Product Manager for Flash platform developer relations at Adobe, expresses his concerns over closed platforms. Interactive developer Grant Skinner reflects on the advantages of [...]

]]> By: Ted http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-19767 Ted Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:23:30 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-19767 I agree with most of what you are saying Mike. However, with regard to the Mac and the Web I think you're wrong. Apple couldn't get away with closing down the Mac like the iPhone/iPad/iPod. I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple apply the iPhone app distribution model to the Mac as an alternative (and promoted as a safer) way to get apps to users. But Apple would face too much of a backlash trying to lock down the Mac platform now. As for the web, Apple is too invested in HTML5 (aka the "open" web) to try and put that genie back in the bottle now. Banning Flash is all about one thing for Apple - control of the platform. Apple doesn't want to be reliant on another company for any part of the software stack, and who can blame them with regard to Adobe. Adobe has had years to make Flash on the Mac work right, and they can't get it done. But I share your concerns. I believe Apple is working their hardest to make the Mac a smaller and smaller piece of their pie, so they can sell more and more of these devices that are closed down and generate more recurring revenue (through the app stores) for Apple. I agree with most of what you are saying Mike. However, with regard to the Mac and the Web I think you’re wrong. Apple couldn’t get away with closing down the Mac like the iPhone/iPad/iPod. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Apple apply the iPhone app distribution model to the Mac as an alternative (and promoted as a safer) way to get apps to users. But Apple would face too much of a backlash trying to lock down the Mac platform now.

As for the web, Apple is too invested in HTML5 (aka the “open” web) to try and put that genie back in the bottle now. Banning Flash is all about one thing for Apple – control of the platform. Apple doesn’t want to be reliant on another company for any part of the software stack, and who can blame them with regard to Adobe. Adobe has had years to make Flash on the Mac work right, and they can’t get it done.

But I share your concerns. I believe Apple is working their hardest to make the Mac a smaller and smaller piece of their pie, so they can sell more and more of these devices that are closed down and generate more recurring revenue (through the app stores) for Apple.

]]> By: On Adobe, Flash CS5 and iPhone Applications at Mike Chambers http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-19144 On Adobe, Flash CS5 and iPhone Applications at Mike Chambers Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:47:28 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-19144 [...] native iPhone applications (including the AS3 Reference Guide, and Timetrocity). As I wrote previously, I think that the closed system that Apple is trying to create is bad for the industry, developers [...] [...] native iPhone applications (including the AS3 Reference Guide, and Timetrocity). As I wrote previously, I think that the closed system that Apple is trying to create is bad for the industry, developers [...]

]]> By: mikechambers http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-19143 mikechambers Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:31:35 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-19143 @Bill -- Umm…. Isn’t Flash a “closed” system?? -- Anyone can create and deploy Flash content anywhere there is a Flash player. Furthermore, Adobe has opened the SWF spec, and revised licensing to allow others to create their own SWF players. So no, we dont have a "stranglehold" on Flash content creation, delivery or even the plugin. -- The irony and hypocrisy is pretty shocking. -- Yes, perhaps, except that your assertions were incorrect, in which case there was no irony or hypocrisy. mike chambers mesh@adobe.com @Bill

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Umm…. Isn’t Flash a “closed” system??
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Anyone can create and deploy Flash content anywhere there is a Flash player. Furthermore, Adobe has opened the SWF spec, and revised licensing to allow others to create their own SWF players.

So no, we dont have a “stranglehold” on Flash content creation, delivery or even the plugin.

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The irony and hypocrisy is pretty shocking.
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Yes, perhaps, except that your assertions were incorrect, in which case there was no irony or hypocrisy.

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com

]]> By: Flash et HTML : la guerre froide du web | VersionBoite : création site internet et référencement à Paris http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-19073 Flash et HTML : la guerre froide du web | VersionBoite : création site internet et référencement à Paris Sun, 04 Apr 2010 11:12:23 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-19073 [...] de faire passer l’information. Mike Chambers, chef de produit Flash, donne son opinion sur les plateformes fermées sur elles-mêmes. Et enfin Grant Skinner, développeur multimédia, parle des avantages de [...] [...] de faire passer l’information. Mike Chambers, chef de produit Flash, donne son opinion sur les plateformes fermées sur elles-mêmes. Et enfin Grant Skinner, développeur multimédia, parle des avantages de [...]

]]> By: Brian Russel Davis http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-19065 Brian Russel Davis Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:16:07 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-19065 But Mike -- Don't you see, that is what software companies do. They build stuff other people have to buy. Furthermore, they build it in a way that keeps others from copying it, hacking it, or redistributing it. I build my tool and I don't expect anyone to use unless they pay me. Now this becomes hugely complex and intricate with Operating Systems, Browsers, Applications and Mobile Devices. But the concept here is the same = "MINE". Apple, Google, Adobe, Microsoft, etc etc ... are trying to get theirs. Apple is playing cut throat like every other executive out there. Your company ADOBE does it. Everyone does it. Steve Jobs wants to WIN. He is not really concerned with the Open Web and all that. He - and all the other software executives -- want power and money and influence. Period. AND You are a part of the machine my friend. Have your "personal opinion" but realize you are one of the people enabling the environment where this happens. But Mike — Don’t you see, that is what software companies do. They build stuff other people have to buy. Furthermore, they build it in a way that keeps others from copying it, hacking it, or redistributing it. I build my tool and I don’t expect anyone to use unless they pay me. Now this becomes hugely complex and intricate with Operating Systems, Browsers, Applications and Mobile Devices. But the concept here is the same = “MINE”. Apple, Google, Adobe, Microsoft, etc etc … are trying to get theirs. Apple is playing cut throat like every other executive out there. Your company ADOBE does it. Everyone does it. Steve Jobs wants to WIN. He is not really concerned with the Open Web and all that. He – and all the other software executives — want power and money and influence. Period. AND You are a part of the machine my friend. Have your “personal opinion” but realize you are one of the people enabling the environment where this happens.

]]> By: BIll http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-19007 BIll Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:41:13 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-19007 Umm.... Isn't Flash a "closed" system?? Last time I checked, Adobe had a "stranglehold" on Flash creation and Flash plugin technology. In other words, Adobe doesn't seem to want to make Flash an Open Standard the way it did with PDF (Apple supports PDF natively on OS X, btw). It sure sounds like you want Adobe to keep a closed system while criticizing Apple's closed system. The irony and hypocrisy is pretty shocking. Umm…. Isn’t Flash a “closed” system??

Last time I checked, Adobe had a “stranglehold” on Flash creation and Flash plugin technology. In other words, Adobe doesn’t seem to want to make Flash an Open Standard the way it did with PDF (Apple supports PDF natively on OS X, btw).

It sure sounds like you want Adobe to keep a closed system while criticizing Apple’s closed system. The irony and hypocrisy is pretty shocking.

]]> By: The Ultimate Design: Design for you | Blog http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/comment-page-2/#comment-18879 The Ultimate Design: Design for you | Blog Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:26:49 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/?p=1954#comment-18879 [...] vehicle. Mike Chambers, Principal Product Manager for Flash platform developer relations at Adobe, expresses his concerns over closed platforms. Interactive developer Grant Skinner reflects on the advantages of [...] [...] vehicle. Mike Chambers, Principal Product Manager for Flash platform developer relations at Adobe, expresses his concerns over closed platforms. Interactive developer Grant Skinner reflects on the advantages of [...]

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