Comments on: Microsoft trying to derail ECMAScript 4? http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/ code = joy Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:51:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: 42 tech items for Flex Developers to research, study and watch in 2008 « Alaguvel’s Weblog http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-13686 42 tech items for Flex Developers to research, study and watch in 2008 « Alaguvel’s Weblog Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:28:34 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-13686 [...] http://www.ecmascript.org/ http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/evolutionary-programming-tutorial.pdf Microsoft trying to derail ECMAScript 4? “ECMA-262 Edition 4 is the next-generation version of ECMAScript being developed currently by the [...] [...] http://www.ecmascript.org/ http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/evolutionary-programming-tutorial.pdf Microsoft trying to derail ECMAScript 4? “ECMA-262 Edition 4 is the next-generation version of ECMAScript being developed currently by the [...]

]]> By: Another Reflection and Prediction posting - Happy 2008 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-10825 Another Reflection and Prediction posting - Happy 2008 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:09:43 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-10825 [...] to be an interesting one to watch. There has been a lot of rumblings from a few of the big players. Microsoft doesn’t like it. Once again, Microsoft and Adobe will be at each others [...] [...] to be an interesting one to watch. There has been a lot of rumblings from a few of the big players. Microsoft doesn’t like it. Once again, Microsoft and Adobe will be at each others [...]

]]> By: 42 tech items for Flex Developers to research, study and watch in 2008 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-10740 42 tech items for Flex Developers to research, study and watch in 2008 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:45:33 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-10740 [...] http://www.ecmascript.org/ http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/evolutionary-programming-tutorial.pdf Microsoft trying to derail ECMAScript 4? "ECMA-262 Edition 4 is the next-generation version of ECMAScript being developed currently by the [...] [...] http://www.ecmascript.org/ http://www.ecmascript.org/es4/spec/evolutionary-programming-tutorial.pdf Microsoft trying to derail ECMAScript 4? “ECMA-262 Edition 4 is the next-generation version of ECMAScript being developed currently by the [...]

]]> By: Dave Jeffery http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9921 Dave Jeffery Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:59:58 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9921 Having looked at the proposal, the only thing missing that would help me in my day to day Actionscript work is the lack of enum. If I were a Microsoft stockholder I would worry about the company's behaviour over this matter making them look weak. If Microsoft had signed off on on ECMA 4 it would have been a sign of strength and of confidence in their technologies. As it stands, they look petrified of the competition, even though I'm sure this isn't the case. Having looked at the proposal, the only thing missing that would help me in my day to day Actionscript work is the lack of enum.

If I were a Microsoft stockholder I would worry about the company’s behaviour over this matter making them look weak. If Microsoft had signed off on on ECMA 4 it would have been a sign of strength and of confidence in their technologies. As it stands, they look petrified of the competition, even though I’m sure this isn’t the case.

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9882 Scott Barnes Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:51:27 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9882 Bazard: A lot of emotion in that post hehe. It wasn't an attack on Flash but more to the point that due to AJAX being all so ever popular these days, JavaScript gaining new powers may very well chip away at Flash's future potential - may being an subjective word i guess. Anyway, I didn't read most of your ranting as it's emotionally charged and let's agree to disagree on this one ;) Appreciate your feedback though and thank you for prefixing it with "Mr" ;) - Scott Bazard:

A lot of emotion in that post hehe. It wasn’t an attack on Flash but more to the point that due to AJAX being all so ever popular these days, JavaScript gaining new powers may very well chip away at Flash’s future potential - may being an subjective word i guess.

Anyway, I didn’t read most of your ranting as it’s emotionally charged and let’s agree to disagree on this one ;)

Appreciate your feedback though and thank you for prefixing it with “Mr” ;)

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Scott

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Updated info:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/archives/2007/11/es4_news_and_opinion.html

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com

]]> By: Raymond http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9794 Raymond Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:18:51 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9794 I think Adobe should back ECMAScript 4 and push of it's speedy delivery. I think Adobe should back ECMAScript 4 and push of it’s speedy delivery.

]]> By: Bazard http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9778 Bazard Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:33:44 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9778 "I mean if JavaScript were to get more powerful and better overall, where would that leave Flash? ;) - Scott Barnes RIA Evangelist Microsoft." Isn't it funny to see that any arrogant and lame comments about Flash are coming from Microsoft representatives? Mr Barnes... as a Microsoft RIA Evangelist, I am sure you have a hard time to persue people that Silverlight is so much better than Flash. For me, Silverlight is the next Zune... Zune patheticly failed to compete with iPod, Silverlight will sink the same way. Time to find another job Mr Barnes? Microsoft has no interest to see ECMAScript 4 coming up as it will create a new competitor to Silverlight for creating RIA. That's the main problem for you guys at Microsoft. Finally...That part made me laugh... sorry :D "In that it’s not about stalling it’s simply about looking for a more grander approach." Does it mean we will have to wait something like 4 or more years to see proposing something "grander" such as XP to Vista? I always worry when Microsoft starts to think "grander"... by experience... Have a pleasant day. “I mean if JavaScript were to get more powerful and better overall, where would that leave Flash? ;)
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Scott Barnes
RIA Evangelist
Microsoft.”

Isn’t it funny to see that any arrogant and lame comments about Flash are coming from Microsoft representatives?

Mr Barnes… as a Microsoft RIA Evangelist, I am sure you have a hard time to persue people that Silverlight is so much better than Flash.

For me, Silverlight is the next Zune… Zune patheticly failed to compete with iPod, Silverlight will sink the same way. Time to find another job Mr Barnes?

Microsoft has no interest to see ECMAScript 4 coming up as it will create a new competitor to Silverlight for creating RIA. That’s the main problem for you guys at Microsoft.

Finally…That part made me laugh… sorry :D

“In that it’s not about stalling it’s simply about looking for a more grander approach.”

Does it mean we will have to wait something like 4 or more years to see proposing something “grander” such as XP to Vista?

I always worry when Microsoft starts to think “grander”… by experience…

Have a pleasant day.

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9765 Scott Barnes Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:28:19 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9765 This IE Teams Battle of course, but after spending some time with Chris, he does have a lot of passion around this space. In that it's not about stalling it's simply about looking for a more grander approach. You guys made a decision to opt from AS 1.0 to changing the game ever so slightly with AS 2.0 and AS 3.0 (something which was both risky and gratifying). Yet, what impacts did that have with your audience and so on - now amplify that by a much bigger ground swell (- i won't get into the battle royal about Macromedia's past, but you know where the lows and highs lie around that space). JavaScript is a delicate conversation period and when you look to change it in any way, why not do so in a much grander plan. Instead of looking to Microsoft for "why not"... "why.." "why this approach and not others" is more the question I'm curious about. Anyway, Microsoft folks aren't doing it because they are bored and thought "..gee its been a while since we annoyed the world, what could we do today.. oh i know... dive on the ECMA grenade.." - we / you are all smarter than to bottle it up as some conspiracy theory to halt the evolution of the web so we can have a clear runway to our own technology. At times I wonder.. - Scott (Microsoft). This IE Teams Battle of course, but after spending some time with Chris, he does have a lot of passion around this space. In that it’s not about stalling it’s simply about looking for a more grander approach.

You guys made a decision to opt from AS 1.0 to changing the game ever so slightly with AS 2.0 and AS 3.0 (something which was both risky and gratifying). Yet, what impacts did that have with your audience and so on - now amplify that by a much bigger ground swell (- i won’t get into the battle royal about Macromedia’s past, but you know where the lows and highs lie around that space).

JavaScript is a delicate conversation period and when you look to change it in any way, why not do so in a much grander plan. Instead of looking to Microsoft for “why not”… “why..” “why this approach and not others” is more the question I’m curious about.

Anyway, Microsoft folks aren’t doing it because they are bored and thought “..gee its been a while since we annoyed the world, what could we do today.. oh i know… dive on the ECMA grenade..” - we / you are all smarter than to bottle it up as some conspiracy theory to halt the evolution of the web so we can have a clear runway to our own technology.

At times I wonder..

- Scott (Microsoft).

]]> By: mikechambers http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9755 mikechambers Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:30:16 +0000 http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/11/01/microsoft-trying-to-derail-ecmascript-4/#comment-9755 Here is another write up of the situation: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/11/02/ars-technica-mozilla-the-bad-guys-fighting-microsoft-the-good-guys -- The problem, apparently, is that Microsoft refuses to voice specific technical concerns, and rather resorts to undermining the process, stalling and using PR campaigns to gather support against it. -- mike chambers mesh@adobe.com Here is another write up of the situation:

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/11/02/ars-technica-mozilla-the-bad-guys-fighting-microsoft-the-good-guys

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The problem, apparently, is that Microsoft refuses to voice specific technical concerns, and rather resorts to undermining the process, stalling and using PR campaigns to gather support against it.
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mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com

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