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	<title>Comments on: Flash Player Performance on OS X : Looking for Examples</title>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-16216</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 08:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6+ years on: This is still an issue with ppc macs!
it seems adobe never ported flash player well to the ppc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6+ years on: This is still an issue with ppc macs!<br />
it seems adobe never ported flash player well to the ppc.</p>
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		<title>By: Cem Gencer</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-11998</link>
		<dc:creator>Cem Gencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due some client-rules i cant show the movie to you...

i started to use a pretty cool macbook pro 15&quot; with 2.5 ghz + 2 GB on Intel Core2Duo at my office. but when i started to compile our AS3-based MVC-style project, i got really frustrated. The movie gets hogged up, until it renders all the elements on the various views of the project. It seems it is a rendering issue, as whenever i try to click anything, roll over a mc with alpha etc, it gets worse. And it does not finish at all..

I hope you guys can find a solution for this. Otherwise I need to BootCamp the laptop, which I dont like. I hate to o back to WinXP, just because of this problem. This means, I have to format the whole laptop with re-partitioning the drive and install all the tools once more... Pretty frustrating indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due some client-rules i cant show the movie to you&#8230;</p>
<p>i started to use a pretty cool macbook pro 15&#8243; with 2.5 ghz + 2 GB on Intel Core2Duo at my office. but when i started to compile our AS3-based MVC-style project, i got really frustrated. The movie gets hogged up, until it renders all the elements on the various views of the project. It seems it is a rendering issue, as whenever i try to click anything, roll over a mc with alpha etc, it gets worse. And it does not finish at all..</p>
<p>I hope you guys can find a solution for this. Otherwise I need to BootCamp the laptop, which I dont like. I hate to o back to WinXP, just because of this problem. This means, I have to format the whole laptop with re-partitioning the drive and install all the tools once more&#8230; Pretty frustrating indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-10768</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any hope for the g3 iMac? I thought that flash was supposed to be main processor driven, not video processor driven. There has to be a better way, or at least a work around for the ppc stuff. I would sacrifice resolution for some smooth playback. The ppc&#039;s aren&#039;t going anywhere any time soon, I hope this gets fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any hope for the g3 iMac? I thought that flash was supposed to be main processor driven, not video processor driven. There has to be a better way, or at least a work around for the ppc stuff. I would sacrifice resolution for some smooth playback. The ppc&#8217;s aren&#8217;t going anywhere any time soon, I hope this gets fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-9414</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 1.33 GHz G4 : Flash, and its player are going faster on my old Pentium 500 MHz escaped from the trash : that is just a shame.
Is Flash virtualized on OS X ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 1.33 GHz G4 : Flash, and its player are going faster on my old Pentium 500 MHz escaped from the trash : that is just a shame.<br />
Is Flash virtualized on OS X ??</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The flash 9 debug player is trash on the mac. I&#039;m so tired of every page locking up. Seriously. 
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		<title>By: Richard Soares</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Soares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically its a Mac video hardware issues for slooow Flash 8 rendering. read on...

You probably have seen that Mac performance is &#039;slightly&#039; better one some machines, especially under Safari. I should give you a hint why that is. If your Mac is Quartz Extreme capable (that does NOT mean we use Quartz, it just means the hardware requirements are met!), try to profile Safari with some Flash content by using the OpenGL profiler which is part of the Apple Developer Tools. Add to that some profiling with Shark on a G4 or higher and the answer should be clear :-) This also explains the odd scrolling behavior some of you have noticed in Safari. We are trying to resolve that with Apple in the future, but for now we feel the benefits outweighed that odd behavior. But if you feel strongly about that issue or otherwise see any other weird behavior in Safari please let us know as soon as possible. The reason FireFox and Opera do not work with this enhancement is because of this bug we filed: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298961&quot;

So, in essence it means that the Flash Player will use OpenGL on OS X 10.2 or newer to display its content if the machine meets the requirements. This is the direct result of working with some Apple engineers which were really helpful in getting us to be confident with these changes. In addition almost every core rendering routine now has an AltiVec implementation, you should see that when profiling using Shark. We spend a lot of time on this in this release.

The bad news is that essentially all G3 based Macs will not see these improvements, some older G4 based Mac which are using ATI Rage 128 cards are also limited in that they and will not support the OpenGL rendering mode. This is because these cards do not support the GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_EXT extension.

I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically its a Mac video hardware issues for slooow Flash 8 rendering. read on&#8230;</p>
<p>You probably have seen that Mac performance is &#8217;slightly&#8217; better one some machines, especially under Safari. I should give you a hint why that is. If your Mac is Quartz Extreme capable (that does NOT mean we use Quartz, it just means the hardware requirements are met!), try to profile Safari with some Flash content by using the OpenGL profiler which is part of the Apple Developer Tools. Add to that some profiling with Shark on a G4 or higher and the answer should be clear :-) This also explains the odd scrolling behavior some of you have noticed in Safari. We are trying to resolve that with Apple in the future, but for now we feel the benefits outweighed that odd behavior. But if you feel strongly about that issue or otherwise see any other weird behavior in Safari please let us know as soon as possible. The reason FireFox and Opera do not work with this enhancement is because of this bug we filed: <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298961" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298961</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>So, in essence it means that the Flash Player will use OpenGL on OS X 10.2 or newer to display its content if the machine meets the requirements. This is the direct result of working with some Apple engineers which were really helpful in getting us to be confident with these changes. In addition almost every core rendering routine now has an AltiVec implementation, you should see that when profiling using Shark. We spend a lot of time on this in this release.</p>
<p>The bad news is that essentially all G3 based Macs will not see these improvements, some older G4 based Mac which are using ATI Rage 128 cards are also limited in that they and will not support the OpenGL rendering mode. This is because these cards do not support the GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_EXT extension.</p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Benny</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey same here, just got a Powerbook 1.33 ghz, 1 gb ram for a few weeks, and Flash 8 run terribly slow here. The windows redraw, time slider, drawing etc. On my PC which is comparable in speed, runs very fast.
I&#039;m wondering if the Flash 8 IDE is as slow on a &#039;new&#039; G5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey same here, just got a Powerbook 1.33 ghz, 1 gb ram for a few weeks, and Flash 8 run terribly slow here. The windows redraw, time slider, drawing etc. On my PC which is comparable in speed, runs very fast.<br />
I&#8217;m wondering if the Flash 8 IDE is as slow on a &#8216;new&#8217; G5?</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I&#039;ve been surfing all day to find a solution for how SLOW Flash 8 loads on a G4 PowerBook. When I said loads slow I don&#039;t mean the initial loading of the application but more so when I go from SEPY back to Flash. I get the dreaded spinning pinwheel for over 15 seconds. This is extremly frustrating to me so I&#039;ve shut down the NEW Mac and went back to my PC. I&#039;m really surprised that Macromedia hasn&#039;t done anything to support this. I know I&#039;m not the only person in the world this has happened to. 

I&#039;m running 1.67 GHz and 1GB RAM with Flash 8 Pro.

Please help! 

p.s. this is my 1st week on a Mac and I LOVED it until this started happening. PC&#039;s might not look as good but they sure run great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been surfing all day to find a solution for how SLOW Flash 8 loads on a G4 PowerBook. When I said loads slow I don&#8217;t mean the initial loading of the application but more so when I go from SEPY back to Flash. I get the dreaded spinning pinwheel for over 15 seconds. This is extremly frustrating to me so I&#8217;ve shut down the NEW Mac and went back to my PC. I&#8217;m really surprised that Macromedia hasn&#8217;t done anything to support this. I know I&#8217;m not the only person in the world this has happened to. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m running 1.67 GHz and 1GB RAM with Flash 8 Pro.</p>
<p>Please help! </p>
<p>p.s. this is my 1st week on a Mac and I LOVED it until this started happening. PC&#8217;s might not look as good but they sure run great.</p>
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		<title>By: Staffan Estberg</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Staffan Estberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not start a name-collection and send it to the big man over at MM? So that they will take care of this extremely annoying problem once and for all?

Every technical issue can be solved, it just needs more money put into it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not start a name-collection and send it to the big man over at MM? So that they will take care of this extremely annoying problem once and for all?</p>
<p>Every technical issue can be solved, it just needs more money put into it..</p>
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		<title>By: Drezz</title>
		<link>http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2003/01/28/flash-player-performance-on-os-x-looking-for-examples/comment-page-2/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Drezz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. I&#039;m running a Quiksilver PowerPC G4 733mhz with OSX 10.2.8, and working in FlashMX2004 is like taking a trip to the dentist for several simultaneous root canals.

This morning, while my fla was building an swf (fla was 2Mb for an swf that is 240k) I had enough time to make coffee, do a bit of art direction, chat about last night&#039;s Monday Night Football, share anecdotes about high school biology class dissections, and pour a cup of joe before the swf was finally built.

Gimme a break. That&#039;s ridiculous.

I&#039;ve noticed the biggest lags occur wen I&#039;m trying to create a text box (upwards of 30 seconds JUST to get the I-bar cursor to even appear), opening the Actions panel(about 20 secs or so), and just selecting a frame on the timeline (10 sec wait.)

I&#039;ve never had problems like this before. I realize that I need more RAM, but this is just too much. I had an old PII 400Mhz that ran Flash 5 and it performed better than this.

Looking forward to a &quot;groundbreaking&quot; fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. I&#8217;m running a Quiksilver PowerPC G4 733mhz with OSX 10.2.8, and working in FlashMX2004 is like taking a trip to the dentist for several simultaneous root canals.</p>
<p>This morning, while my fla was building an swf (fla was 2Mb for an swf that is 240k) I had enough time to make coffee, do a bit of art direction, chat about last night&#8217;s Monday Night Football, share anecdotes about high school biology class dissections, and pour a cup of joe before the swf was finally built.</p>
<p>Gimme a break. That&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed the biggest lags occur wen I&#8217;m trying to create a text box (upwards of 30 seconds JUST to get the I-bar cursor to even appear), opening the Actions panel(about 20 secs or so), and just selecting a frame on the timeline (10 sec wait.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had problems like this before. I realize that I need more RAM, but this is just too much. I had an old PII 400Mhz that ran Flash 5 and it performed better than this.</p>
<p>Looking forward to a &#8220;groundbreaking&#8221; fix.</p>
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